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!Rose is wife of Robert Webb 1742 Cromer.Details B.Allen Date of death of Rose,L.Bourne.There was a ? after this date.

!Birth certificate in hand. Albert Edward was the son of George John Webb Allen his mother was Mary Ann Rebecca Allen formerly Dunham. 1871 census Norfolk. Albert Edward was living at North Street, Hemsby with his mother and father brothers Clifford,George and Richard and sister Evangeline. His father was a pork butcher/gardener. 1881 census Norfolk. He was still at North Street with his mother and father and brothers George and Richard. Marriage certificate in hand. On May 30th 1887 he married Alice Eliza Benns 18 at the Parish Church ,Great Yarmouth. He was 19 and a butcher by trade and was living at Hemsby at the time of the marriage.His father was George Allen also a butcher. The witnesses at the wedding were Walter Benns and Emma Allen. Clifford George Allen his brother was married to an Emma and possibly she was one of the witnesses. I have a copy of the Will,the Exors were: Albert Sidney Allen,Frederick Edward Allen and Walter George Allen. 1891 census Albert Allen Head M 24 Butcher Hemsby Alice E. do Wife M 21 Stokesby Frederick E. son 2 Hemsby Alice S.Nicholls Servant 22 Gents.Servant Domestic Hemsby Albert Allen was not at home on census night: Walter Benns Head m 45 lab Stokesby Anne do Wife m 53 do Mary Golder Niece s 15 Machiness Stokesby Albert Allen Grandson 3 Yarmouth Norfolk (Albert Allen was born in Hemsby so this information was not correct on the census)

!1891 Census Great Yarmouth. A chance find: 5,Argyle Terrace Arthur G.W. Allen Head Mar 36 Mess.Postman Hemsby Elizabeth S. Wife Mar 34 Ormesby Arthur G. S 12 Hemsby Maurice I. S 11 Hemsby Hilda C. Dau 7 Hemsby Earnest A. S 4 Yarmouth Ada E. Dau 2 Yarmouth Hubert K. S 4 mths Yarmouth ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Census 1881 Norfolk Dunhams Cottages Arthur Allen Head Mar 26 Letter Carrier Hemsby Elizabeth Wife Mar 23 Ormesby Katie Dau 5 Scholar Ormesby Maud Dau 4 Scholar Ormesby Arthur Son 2 Hemsby Maurice Son 8mths Hemsby --------------------------------------------------------------------- Arthur was also mentioned on the 1871 census with his grandparents Richard and Rebecca Dunham. Arthur Allen Grandson unm. 16 farm.Lab. Hemsby. so it seems that Arthur had a go at farming to start off with and then decided it was not for him.

!On the 1861 census it seems Catherine changed sex! she was entered as Cethran Allen son 2 Hemsby living with George and Rebbeca in Hemsby. On the 1871 census she was living with her grandparents Richard and Rebecca Dunham in Martham Road. Catherine Allen G.Dau. Scholar 11 Hemsby She was possibly just staying with them for a few days and got caught by the census,her brother Arthur was working there as a farm labourer at the time. In 1881 she was not living with her parents. She was about 21 by then and had married Walter Dew Pettingill. She had five children. One of these children was called Dora, the youngest, she was the mother of Beryl Rogers who has been so helpful to me regarding the Allen Tree. Needless to say Catherine Allen's family history has been well documented by Beryl. A quote from Catherine via Beryl referring to her grandfather John Crask Webb "He was not a man to be proud of". Beryl also tells me: Catherine's eldest but one daughter Eva died when Walter was born so Catherine went to live with the children and their father and brought them up. Walter and Catherine, his sister (surname Harley) are still alive (1992) Walter is 85 and Cathy is 87, sadly she can no longer walk and is in a home Brother and sister never married, always living together until about two years ago. It is from them that Beryl*has managed to get so much information. Cathy can remember Rebbeca having met her when a child and she used to tell them stories of the Allens. Catherine's children were: IDA = Ralph Edmunds Children: Ida May and John EVA ELIZA = Bert Harvey Children: Cathy and Walter DORA 1886-1972 = Archie Edwards: Children Noel Pettingill Edwards (1911) (Noel married Ada Williams and had one child Nadine) Maycel Vera Edwards(1913) (Maycel married John Beecher who had two children,Elizabeth who married Ronald Oram and had two sons and Heather = ? and had two sons)Beryl*Pamela Edwards(1921 = John Rogers Children:D'Alvery Vaughan (1949)(who married Moyra Shaw and had six children,Emma(d) Kate 1974,Peter 1976 Mathew 1979) and Nicola Pamela (1952) = Geoffrey Barker and had one child Lucy 1974. VIRTUE REBECCA = ? CATHERINE = Bert Nicholls. All the above details came from family tree of Linda Bourne. Baptism date from Beryl.

!Butcher Clifford is mentioned on the 1861 and 1871 census living in Hemsby North St. He was not on the 1881 census at that address. From a visit to the Society of Genealogists: 1885-6 Eastern Division of Norfolk. Ormesby Polling District (District M) Parish of Hemsby. Occupationn voters (other than lodgers) No. M 607 Allen Clifford Hemsby Dwelling House In Yarmouth Road. Clifford married Emma and they had the following family: Clifford George = Ida Allen (cousin) Herbert =Minnie Frank Harry = Catherine Ruby Chloe=Harold The marriage detail and family were given to me by Linda Bourne. Baptism detail from Beryl.?Why not Clifford George. 1891 census Hemsby North Road Clifford Allen Head M 27 Butcher Hemsby Emma Wife M 25 Caister Clifford Son 7 Hemsby George Son 5 Hemsby Maude Allen Niece S 14 Hemsby

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!The details regarding FEA were received in a letter from Gill Hunn,24.7.1992

!Details of baptism and burial from Beryl Rogers. George was 18 months old when he died.

! Marriage certificate in hand. Married on 21st January 1855 at Hemsby Parish Church at the age of 18. He was a labourer at the time of his marriage. There was no name or profession of father on the certificate. 1861 census Norfolk. Hemsby George Allen Head Mar 24 Postman Hemsby Rebecca Allen Wife Mar 24 Framlingham Arthur son 6 Scholar Hemsby Evangeline dau 5 do do John son 3 do do Cethran son 2 do do ** Catherine I'm sure Clifford son 1 do do 1871 Census,Norfolk,North Street,Hemsby. George Allen Head Mar 34 Pork Butcher Hemsby Gardener Rebecca Allen Wife Mar 34 Fremingham Evangeline dau Unm 15 Scholar Hemsby John Webb son 13 do do Clifford son 9 do do George son 4 do do Albert Edward son 3 do do Richard son 1 do 1881 census Norfolk,North Street,Hemsby. George Allen Head Mar 44 Butcher Hemsby Rebecca Allen Wife Mar 44 Framingham George son 14 Scholar Hemsby Albert Son 13 do do Richard son 11 do do 1871 Census Norfolk Martham Road St.Hemsby Richard Dunham Head Mar 58 Claxton Farmer of 18 acres employing 1 boy Rebecca Dunham Wife Mar 61 Claxton Arthur Allen G/Son Unm 16 Farm Labourer Hemsby Catherine Allen G/Dau 11 Scholar Hemsby I think we can fairly safely assume that Richard and Rebecca Dunham were the in laws of George John Webb and that his son Arthur was working for his grandfathers farm. Was Cethran son 2 in 1861 the Catherine G/dau Scholar 11 in 1871? From two independent family trees,one from Linda Bourne and one from Bernard Allen a Catherine Allen was born (Linda) 1859 and (Bernard)1860 so I think it is safe to assume Cethran was Catherine. On both trees Arthur is listed as being born in 1859 I think that this should be 1855,all the census entries point to this,unless of course anyone has a birth certificate.I will check it in the births. If he was born in 1855 then see notes regarding Arthur G.W.Allen no.109. From a visit to The Society of Genealogists I came up with: 1885-6 Eastern Division of Norfolk.Ormesby Polling District (District M) Parish of Hemsby,Ownership Voters. No. M 583 Allen George John Hemsby Copyhold cottages and land. Next the churchyard and the common. Will in hand. Clifford Allen and Walter Dow Pettingill were appointed executors. He gave all his real estate(except copyhold hereditaments)and all personal estate and effects whatsoever to the Trustees. The copyhold property to the use of such persons as the Trustees within 21 years of his decease think fit. The Trustees should sell and convert onto money the real and personal estate and divide among all the children in equal shares.If any of the children died before him then that childs share would go to their children. The Will was signed in 1901, ten years before he died. It was a bit more complicated than that but this is the gist. His wife was not mentioned. Part of a letter written by Auntie Chloe in the same month as her death October 1992, tells me: My grandmother and grandfather parted up and grandmother lived in a little cottage next door to dad's house(Clifford Allen PFD) grandad went to Thorp for treatment he died there. Death certificate in hand: 5th July 1911 George Webb Allen Male 75 years Butcher formerly of Hemsby. Senile decay. Lunatic Asylum Thorpe,Norfolk. 1891 census Hemsby North Road,Hemsby George Allen Head M 54 Butcher Hemsby Rebecca Wife M 55 Trimingham Richard Son S 21 Butcher Hemsby Now I've got another place to add to the collection for the birth of Rebecca! Framlingham,Framingham,Fremingham and now Trimingham but could have been Frimingham as the writing was not good. The only thing I can say for Trimingham is that at least it exits which is more than I can say for the others. According to my Phillimore there is a Felmingham which borders on North Walsham and a Trimingham which is near Cromer and Framlington Earl and Framlington Pigot which are not far from Caxton where Rebecca's father was born so which do I go for? All of them I suppose until I find her.

!Details of burial from Beryl Rogers. Helen Rebecca was registered as "infant" . I am not quite sure where Helen would have come in the family order but as she was not christened she must have died soon after birth in about 1865 so the order entry will have to be a guess.

!Moved to Hemsbyin 1833 after the birth of her first illegitimate child by John Craske Webb of Stalham Hall. The 1861 census describes her as Mary A.Allen Widow 57 Fundholder Neatishead Blanche Tennant Gd/dau 2 Hemsby. Blanche was the daughter of Mary Ann Allen, her first child by John Craske Webb. Beryl Rogers writes: When and where JCW met our Mary Ann Allen we don't know we have wondered did she go as governess to Georgiana,there is a book "The Story of Stalham Hall" but nobody has tracked down a copy of it in recent years. 1871 Census Norfolk 0830836. Hemsby,North Street. Mary Ann Allen Head Unm 66 Pauper Neatstead (?Neatishead) So it seems that Mary came to a sad end,unmarried and a pauper. Date of birth of Mary Ann Allen from L.Bourne

Had two children Ellen Mary Allen born 1862 Hemsby and Blanche Tennant born 1869 Hemsby Married a Tennant,no details.(see Webb Allen Pedigree by Bernard Allen)

!Richard is mentioned on the 1871 and 1881 census living in hemsby with his mother and father. A letter from Auntie Chloe ( October 15th 1992) gives the following details: I think uncle Richard - Dick went to Australia with his wife and two daughters as my mother had letters from Melbourne.(Auntie Chloe's parents were Clifford George Allen and Emma Starkings) Dicks wife died and later he remarried and had another daughter Rebbe (?Rebbeca). My grandfather and grandmother (George John Allen and Rebecca Dunham) parted up and grandmother lived in a little cottage next door to dad's house. Grandad went to Thorpe for treatment he died there and grandmother lived six years after him,my mother found a nurse and she looked after her so well." Baptism details from Beryl.

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!I have searched high and low for Alice Eliza Benns birth certificate but no luck as yet. On the 1891 census of Great Yarmouth I found: 4, Caistor Road Walter Benns Head M 45 Lab Stokesby Ann Wife M 53 do Mary Golder Niece S 15 Machiness Stokesby Albert Allen G/Son 3 Yarmouth Nfk. I am sure that the above relates to Alice Elizasfamily and that Albert is her son. This means she could have been born at Stokesby,perhaps there are parish records which could tell me her d.o.b. There is no Alice Eliza Benns birth registration between 1866 and 1870 unless I have missed it. Death certificate in hand. 11th March 1920 Hemsby Alice Eliza Allen aged 50 Wife of Albert Edward Allen,Pork Butcher(Master).Cause of death Carcinoma Uteri `Informant F.E.Allen Son in Attendance Hemsby (Frederick Edward). Marriage certificate in hand. Parish Church of Great Yarmouth. May 30th 1887 Albert Edward Allen 19 Bachelor Butcher Hemsby Father George Allen Butcher. Alice Eliza Benns Spinster Yarmouth Father Walter Benns Labourer. Witnesses were Walter Benns and Emma Allen. Have found the birth of Alice Eliza.1871 1st Q 4b 205 Blofield. Birth certificate in hand: Born 10.12.1870 Lingwood father Walter Benns.Mother Emma Harriet Benns formerly Batley.Father farm labourer.Informant E.H.Benns mother Lingwood. WRONG this is not my Alice at least I don't think so. If her father was born in Stokesby then it isn't. I have got to do some sorting out here! I have assumed that Walter Benns above was father of Alice Eliza,mainly because of the existence of Albert Allen,grandson on the census.Could this be a coincidence? Albert Sidney Allen was born in 1887 which means he could have been about 3 on 1891 census. Obvious what I must do is look on the 1891 Hemsby census and see if little Albert Sidney is at home,that should settle it! RIGHT! Have looked at 1891 census for Hemsby: Fiche 1505 Waters Lane,Hemsby Albert Allen Head M 24 Butcher Hemsby Alice E. do Wife M 21 Stokesby Frederick G Allen son 2 Hemsby Alice S.Nicholls servant 22 Gents servant domestic Hemsby So it seems that my Alice Benns, Lingwood certificate is not the right one or the marriage between Walter Benns and Emma Harriet Battley. Walter Benns born 1st April 1846 Stokesby is right though. In Stokesby I found: The Green Noah Benns Head m 36 Shoemaker Stokesby Mary A. do m 32 do Lillie C. dau 8 Scholar do Violet M. dau 5 do do Noah S. son 2 do Charles W. son 5mths do. I am pretty sure this is part of the same family. ? Brother of Walter who was 45 in 1891. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ I have hada great deal of luck since I did the above research. Vick Handrick has researched it all in full and the pages have been duly entered:

Alice eliza (sometimes elizabeth) b.16th October 1869;bapt 12 Dec 1869 Mar. Albert Edward Allen on 30th May 1887 at St.Nicholas Church Great Yarmouth. Alice died 11 March 1920 aged 50

1891 census Walter 45 Labourer Ann 53 Mry Golder 15 neice Albert Allen 3 grandson Living at 4 Caistor Road,Great Yarmouth 1891 Census Albert Allan 23 Butcher Alice E 21 Frederick E 2 Living at Waters Lane, Hemsby

!Birth certificate in hand 20th May 1909,The Mall Sligo.Robert Lionel Harlech.Father Robert Dodd,The Mall, Sligo,Mother Annie Jane nee Bracken.Profession of father Draper's Assistant, Informant Robert Dodd father The Mall,Sligo. Marriage certificate in hand 15th April 1936 Robert Lionel Harlech Dodd 30 (he was actually 26years and 11 months, but mum (Eva Allen) was always worried about the big difference in their ages,so, being the gentleman he always was, he lied on the marriage certificate to make her look only four years older than he was rather than the eight she really was. I wonder if he read the small print?? i.e. Any person who falsifies any of the particulars on this certificate is liable to Prosecution!! I doubt it, he was too much in love to worry about such details, and stayed that way until he died.) Bachelor,Commercial Traveller,Residence at time of marriage, The Mall,Sligo. I.F.S.(Martin said he lived with a Mrs. Brown on Unthank Road , Norwich!!)Father's name Robert Dodd,Draper. The Witnesses were Albert Sidney Allen (brother of Eva) and E.V.Allen. At the Parish Church in Hemsby. Death certificate in hand. He died on 14th January 1970 at Addenbrookes Hospital in Cambridge. Gives his place of birth as Sligo N.Ireland(seems Dad was always getting the wrong thing on his certificates) A Manufatureres Agent Living at 29, Yarmouth Rd Caister On Sea,Norfolk. An Inquest was held. Cause of death.1a Asphyxia due to the inhalation of vomitus b.Ileus of the intestine c.Infarction of segment of ileum d.Traumatic damage to ileal mesentery 2.Multiple Fractures Accidental Death. In his will he left 12,577 16s gross,11,809 net.Duty paid was 475. His home was paid for and apart for a small bill at the bookie and the telephone and electricity he owed no man a penny. He lived well and went without nothing. He made everyone around him happy and was loved by all, a typical gentle giant. He loved good food and good wine and spoilt his wife ( just like Martin!) When he was young he was a great rower. He loved Rugby and the first thing he did when he came to England to live was go to a Rugby match Ireland v ?England. He was in a position to disappear back to Southern Ireland when the war came as he was not British but other than take his son and wife there for a short time he said it was his duty to fight in the war and joined up in the Airforce for the duration.

S!Signs Rebecca Dunham on m/c.Referred to as Rebecca Marianne on d/c !Mary Ann Rebecca on b/c of Albert Edward Allen. From a letter dated July 1st 1992 from Beryl Rogers (her grandmother was Catherine Allen who married Walter Dew Pettingill) she tells me that George and Rebecca had eleven children. She was the daughter of Richard Dunham and his wife Rebecca nee Wickham. The date of birth 27/12 was on the tree from Linda Bourne. Marriage certificate in hand. She was described as spinster,18 years old living in Hemsby,father Richard Dunham Farmer. Married in Hemsby Parish Church. The witnesses were Robert Felmingham and Mary Ann Allen (could have been either George John Allen's sister or mother,more likely to be the sister in those days Death certificate in hand. 17th August 1919 Hemsby. Rebecca Marianne Allen 82 years.Widow of George John Webb Allen Master Butcher.Senile decay.Clifford Allen son in attendance Hemsby. Auntie Chloe tells me: "My grandfather and grandmother parted up and grandmother lived in a little cottage next door to dad's house(Clifford).Grandad went to Thorp for treatment he died there and grandmother lived six years after him. My mother(Emma) found a nurse and she looked after her so well." Will in hand. Rebecca seemed to be quite a wealthy lady. She appointed Walter Dew Pettingill her son in law and Clifford Allen the executors of the Will. The Will was signed in 1884, she was only 48 years old then and didn't die until 1919. Her husbands Will didn't mention her but this was not signed until 1901 ten years before he died. The gist of the Will was: All the dwelling houses and land situated at Hemsby given to her by her father and all other real estate was given to Walter Pettingill and Clifford Allen upon trust to allow her father Richard Dunham to receive the rents and income during his life(he was about 71 then). After his death to sell the said property by public auction or private contract and the proceeds to be shared equally between all the children or grandchildren of deceased children. Then there was a codicil in 1885: Any child or grandchild who she made an advance to throughout her lifetime shall pay the amount into her executors before any division takes place. (in other words they only got the same amount whatever happened) Then there was another codicil 1905. This was because Walter Pettingill had died and so she then appointed her son John Webb Allen to be the other executor.Probate was granted 16th Oct.1919 at Norwich.

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!Walter Dow Pettingill was obviously very highly thought of in the Allen family he was executor in both George John Webb Allen's Will and Rebecca Allen's although he died before Rebecca and had to be replaced with John Allen.

!This information is from Linda Bourne. Details of children see George Webb Allen 112

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!Fatheredat least three illegitimate children.He was orphaned at an early age and was adopted by Susannah Brookes spinster daughter of Dr.Brookes of Stalham Hall .John who never married,ultimately inherited the Hall and with it the ancient title of Lord of the Manor of Linford and Wilds. Will in hand.He left everything to Mary Ann Webb his illegitimate daughter(who also never married and lived with him throughout his life) Bernard Allen has a sale catalogue of Stalham Hall. Death certificate in hand. He died on 30th November 1865 at Stalham. He was 77 years old and his occupation was given as Yeoman.His cause of death was Decay of nature (old age) Informant wasM.W.Sandford present at the death Cromer.The death was registered one month after death on 30th December 1865 Will. Webb 10th April 1866 Effects under 1500. The Will of John Craske Webb late of Stalham Hall,Stalham in the County of Norfolk Esquire Deceased who died 30th November 1865 at Stalham Hall Aforsaid was proved at Norwich by the oath of Mary Anne Georgiana Webb of Stalham Hall aforesaid spinster the sole executor. Mary Anne Georgiana Webb was born March 1816(Linda Bourne) Worstead and buried Stalham 16 Feb.1894(LB) her mother was Mary Keeler(LB) Beryl Rogers: "JohnCrask Webb was adopted by a spinster daughter of a doctor who lived at Stalham Hall, he came from a poor family and ended up Squire and Lord of the Manor, quoting my Grandmother who may have known him as a child(Catherine Allen who married Walter Dew-Pettingill)"he was not a man to be proud of". He firstly had adaughter Mary-Ann Georgiana Webb daughter of a Mary Keeler, born Worsted May 26th 1816, she went to live with him at the hall, she never married either, and is buried with her father in Stalham churchyard. I did find the grave but the name is getting very hard to decipher." Beryl also says that there is a book "The Story of Stalham Hall" but nobody has tracked down a copy in recent years. (NB.PFD write NGS) My letter to N.+ N.G.S. has resulted in a letter from a Mr.Peter Cooke who although he does not have the book I am searching for it seems that he knows the Hall very well,he lives in Stalham,and could probably give me details of it's history. I have written back to him and sent a printout of the details regarding John Craske Webb.

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!George is on the 1871 and 1881 census living in North Street Hemsby with his mother and father. He married Charlotte Emma Sear 13.8.1883 and had two children Ada Catherine and William. Ada Catherine married Henry James Bourne 25th June 1911. They had the following family: George b. 1912 -13 Harold Charles 1915-1976 = Phyllis Wiggins *** Henry James 1917=Peg Perrett Hilda Joan 1921 = George Woodard George E. 1923 - 35 Stanley Victor 1924 - 26 Reginald Arthur 1928 = Mary William J. 1928 - 29 Arthur William 1931 = Kathleen Joyce Arthur William and Kathleen Joyce Bourne had two children: Linda Patricia and Stephen John. Linda Bourne is the source of my information regarding George Webb Allen. Linda married the son of Harold Charles*** Terence, her first cousin and they have two children Emma 1987 and Michael 1988. Lindas' forte must be relationships because she has worked out: "Martin is my Dad's (Arthur Bourne) 2nd cousin,your sons are my third cousins!" From the list that Beryl sent me there is no mention of a baptism of George Webb Allen,perhaps as they had just baptised 7 children in 1865 they decided to give poor old George a miss as he was born in 1866 or thereabouts. There was a George baptised in on February 10th 1865 but he was buried aged 18 months on Feb.26th 1865.

!Don't know much about this one. On the family tree sent by Linda Bourne it gives his birth as 1857. Beryl Rogers has an odd listing of his baptism. It was simply listed as: June 25th 1865 John to Rebecca Allen, no mention of father George John. I think I will get the birth certificate when I am in London next time to see just what was what.